The former US envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, said that he told Giuliani his claims that Biden was acting corruptly in Kiev on behalf of his son Hunter were “simply not credible.” There is no evidence to support Trump’s claims that the former vice president or his so did anything wrong in Ukraine.
“I’ve known him a long time, he’s a person of integrity,” Volker said he told Giuliani and his now indicted associate Lev Parnas at breakfast on July 19 at the Trump hotel in Washington.
Volker’s testimony also establishes that Giuliani had a pipeline to Trump in Ukraine matters and was painting a dark picture of new President Vlodymyr Zelensky to the US leader.
“He knows all of these things and they have got some bad people around him,” Volker paraphrased the President as saying, when testifying about what he called the “Giuliani factor.”
Volker also revealed that the Ukrainians knew how to open a direct channel to Trump — through Giuliani.
Eventually, the President’s fixer became a “problem” the special envoy said.
“The negative narrative which Mr Giuliani was furthering was the problem … it was impeding our ability to build the relationship the way we should be doing,” he said.
Volker was not the only one frustrated.
Then-national security adviser John Bolton saw Giuliani as a “hand grenade” who was “going to blow everybody up,” according to a yet-to-be-released deposition by former top White House Russia expert Fiona Hill, sources told CNN last month.
Giuliani appears to have been orchestrating the potential quid pro quo that could get Trump impeached.
He insisted that a draft statement that the Ukrainians were preparing to issue at one point about corruption include references to Burisma, the energy giant that employed Hunter Biden, and a 2016 conspiracy theory that Ukrainians and not the Russians interfered in the 2016 presidential election.
“Rudy says: ‘Well, if it doesn’t say Burisma and if it doesn’t say 2016, what does it mean?’ Giuliani said, ‘You know it’s not credible,” according to Volker’s testimony.
CNN’s Drew Griffin and Patricia DiCarlo contributed to this story
Updated 0611 GMT (1411 HKT) November 7, 2019
Sources from: CNN
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